Meanwhile, Pitt's production company, Plan B Entertainment, found itself winning an astonishing third Oscar for Best Picture, with a satire based on the incidents surrounding the firing of General Stanley Mc Chrystal. Then, when I was in high school, my folks jumped to a more charismatic movement, which got into speaking in tongues and raising your hands and some goofy-ass shit. I'm just fascinated with Sterling Hayden, off-camera, between films, and I couldn't escape that. We think we know better, and this idea of American exceptionalism—I think we're exceptional in many ways, I do, but we can't force it on others. In the film, he plays a gruff, ascetic stand-in for Mc Chrystal, General Glen Mc Mahon, with both big-gestured comic panache and an oblivious unknowingness that seems to be a metaphor for the entire American war effort. There's even a little bit of Chris Farley in mannerisms. It wasn't just a public-relations crisis—there was a father suddenly deprived of his kids, a husband without wife. The other equally distinctive characteristic is Glen's voice. You know, it's a little bit of a cliché, but I just enjoyed it too much: There's, you know, of course, Patton in it. When I get in trouble it's because of my hubris.
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From the sideboard, with its exquisite inlay, to the vase on the mantel, the house exudes care and intention. But even this last year, you know—things I wasn't dealing with. I think that's part of the human challenge: You either deny them all of your life or you answer them and evolve. You know, when you're a stoner, you get these really stupid ideas. If you ended up in court, it would be a spectacular nightmare. You'll be in court and it'll be all about affairs and it'll be everything that doesn't matter. One of my favorite movies when it came out was and I couldn't figure out why I loved this movie, I just loved this movie, besides the obvious talent of Paul T. But the next morning I woke up, and I went, Oh, my God, this whole movie is dedicated to this man and his hatred. You know, it's everywhere, it's got to be found. That's when I get a bit pessimistic, I get in my oh-it-all-goes-away-anyway kind of thinking.
And it carries its own stories, not just about when the Jolie-Pitts were a happy family, but also from back in the day, when Jimi Hendrix crashed here. R&B comes from great pain, but it's a celebration. It's that African woman being able to laugh much more boisterously than I've ever been able to. Well, I don't want to indict the others, but I haven't made it to Willie yet. I enjoy wine very, very much, but I just ran it to the ground. And truthfully I could drink a Russian under the table with his own vodka. It's so audacious to make a movie about it, and in life I find it just so sickening. It's the laughter of the African mother in my experience—it's got to come from the blues, to get R&B.
When he was on a flight to Los Angeles aboard a private plane, there was a reported altercation between Pitt and one of his six children, 15-year-old Maddox. So acting came out of what you saw in these revival meetings? But as a kid, I was certainly drawn to stories—beyond the stories that we were living and knew, stories with different points of view. I remember going to a few concerts, even though we were told rock shows are the Devil, basically.
An anonymous phone call was made to the authorities, which triggered an FBI investigation (ultimately closed with no charges). Our parents let us go, they weren't neo about it. What was clear to me was “You don't know what you're talking about—”And it didn't fuck you up? We were looking at—let me say, a certain war film that was looking to promote itself.
Invisible to the eye is that sculpted bulk we've seen on film for a quarter-century. On the counter sit some plated goodies from Starbucks, which he doesn't touch, and some coffee, which he does. And of great irony to me: Marvin Gaye's [Gaye's touchstone album about divorce]. Do you think if the past six months hadn't happened you'd be in this place eventually? I think it would have come knocking, no matter what. I've always looked at things in seasons, compartmentalized them, I guess, seasons or semesters or tenures or…Really? I hit the lottery, and I still would waste my time on those hollow pursuits. You have to stare down everything that matters to you. Sitting with those horrible feelings, and needing to understand them, and putting them into place. They won't give a shit about that inlay, but somewhere down the road it will mean something—I hope that it will soak in. We know more, we're more focused on psychology. If we're going to do a celebrity shoot, let's make something, work with an artist, see what we come up with. After all this, do you feel constrained as an actor in some ways?